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COL555: The Landscape of Relationships – Part 4

In this episode of Cubs Out Loud, the guys are joined once again by Edward Angelini-Cooke to discuss the landscape of relationships. In this fourth installment, Edward and the cubs break down the complicated emotion of jealousy and how it affects romantic and other relationships. Is jealousy truly a green-eyed monster or just simply misunderstood?

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The Landscape of Relationships – Jealousy

Jealousy Quotes 

“Beware….of jealousy!  It is the green-eyed monster, which doth mock/The meat it feeds on.”-Iago, Othello, William Shakespeare

“Jealousy in romance is like salt in food. A little can enhance the savor, but too much can spoil the pleasure and, under certain circumstances, can be life-threatening.” – Maya Angelou 

“Jealousy is not a barometer by which the depth of love can be read, it merely records the degree of the lover’s insecurity.” – Margaret Mead 

Cognitive Triangle 

Emotions

  • Emotions are needed for survival 

Universally accepted expressions of feelings 

Notice there are more “negative emotions” than “positive emotions”….why?

Complex Emotions 

examples : Grief, Regret, Jealousy, Envy

  • Complex emotions include various emotional states (e.g. grief is the one we are most familiar with….Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance).  Freud’s model of Jealousy includes four major components:  Grief (pain of losing a relationship), Realization (we can’t have everything we want), Enmity (towards the “winner” of affection/attention), and Anger towards ourselves that we are not good enough.
  • Complex emotions  vary based on the person, situation, and culture….therefore, we can not rely on universally accepted facial expression.

Jealousy

  • What is it?  Jealousy is a complex emotion that includes feelings of anger, sadness, fear.  Typically experienced when a person experienced a threat to a relationship.
  • DISCLAIMER:  This feeling is not only reserved for romantic relationships.  We can have feelings of jealousy in familial, work, and friend relationships.  
  • Is it normal?  Absolutely.  Evolutionary scientists have shown that animals, such as dogs, experience jealousy.  It is a necessary emotion in order to preserve social bonds.  While it may be normal, it may not be helpful.  
  • People who experience jealousy in relationships, not shockingly, report decreased relationship satisfaction.
  • Why am I feeling Jealous? Research suggests that low self-esteem, possessiveness over others, high neuroticism , fear of abandonment are predictors of jealousy.  
  • Suspicious jealous-feeling stimulated by a thought or a feeling….this is typically due to an attachment trauma, self-conscious, low self esteem.  
  • Reactive jealousy-feeling stimulated by an actual event or triggers.  (Second Life study)

 

What Do We Do?

 

  • Work on yourself first….

 

      • What is your relationship with jealousy?  Do you have a pattern of jealousy in your life?  How intense?  
      • What are you feeling (angry, sad, or afraid)?  
      • What evidence do we have?  What am I thinking about?  
      • Why am I feeling this way? Am I envious?  At whom or what?  
      • How am I experiencing this physically?  If I feel tense, can I relax? 
      • Notice that your thoughts and emotions shift and change….this isn’t going to last forever.
      • Once you do this….then we can talk to our partner.
      • Communicate with your partner your feelings.  Recognize that jealousy isn’t a bad thing.  Discuss boundaries.

 

  • If your partner is the one who is jealous….

 

    • Listen to them….completely (Mantra: Just Shut Up and Listen!)
    • Don’t respond 
    • Reflect back what you are hearing
    • Practice empathy
    • Recognize that the jealous says more about them than it does about you.  

Addressing your Jealousy 

  • Refer to The Jealousy Workbook Chapter 17 through the end 
    • Buddhism, mindfulness, meditation, attachment 
    • Eye Movement, Desensitization, and Reprocessing (EMDR) 
    • Positive affirmations
    • Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) CBT therapy that disects thoughts, feelings, and behaviors.

Compersion

  • Combination of pleasant feelings and thoughts towards your partner when they are in a positive romantic relationship with someone else.  
  • Turning jealousy into compersion….finding neutrality.  Increase empathy.  Look through their eyes.
  • Constriction to expansion.
  • Exclusion, abandonment, and deprivation to belonging, autonomy, and responsibility.  

Review:

  • Jealousy is a normal emotion, but not always helpful.
  • Listen to what jealousy is telling you as the person experiencing it or the person receiving it.  
  • Don’t avoid that you are on the ride.
  • Communicate 
  • If you feel you suffer from anxious attachment, talking to someone is helpful. 

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COL536: LTAS: PrEP

In this episode of Cubs Out Loud, it’s another Let’s Talk About Sex. The guys are joined by Mario Forte and Kenny “Panda” Keawekane, Mr. North American Bear 2018, to discuss PrEP. With our guests, we discuss what PrEP is, what medications are involved, and disclose some of the potential barriers in getting on PrEP. Are you PrEP-ared?

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LTAS: PrEP with guests Mario Forte and Kenny Keawekane

What is PreP? 

  • What is Truvada for PrEP?
  • What is Descovy for PrEP?
  • What is ‘event dosing’/ 2-1-1?

PrEP Whores – controversy vs sexual liberty

PrEP uptake in the Bear Community

Where to get it – PreP Locator Website

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COL452: ATNS: Who You Callin’ A Chaser?

COL452: ATNS: Who You Callin’ A Chaser? In this episode of Cubs Out Loud, the cubs are joined by the adorkable Chris Diorio to talk about chasers. The guys discuss the stigma surrounding the word “chaser” and go through the perceptions of its permutations.

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What’s Going On?

  • Jeff: Food Experiments, and Impulse buys.
  • Damon: Time off. Bad news.
  • Chester: Trident Member, TSA Assessment
  • Gary: Grouchy Meh
  • Chris: Mr Chicago Leather last weekend, TCL soon, Otherwise work surprisingly slow lol

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The stigma behind the term “Chaser”

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COL423: PSA: Get a Lucky Buddy!

In this episode of Cubs Out Loud,  Damon is glamping it up while the guys welcome virgin guest, Smashy! They talk about the importance of personal safety when it comes to hook ups. But are we overreacting to some idea of stranger danger? Or is there a legitimate concern when it comes to tricking; whether at home, an event, or a bath house? See if you agree with their thoughts in today’s PSA show.

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What’s Going On?

  • Jeff: Other people’s vacations suck
  • Chester: Packing, Pokemon Go, missing D23 =(
  • Gary: The work flow is…
  • Steve: the trouble with ribfests

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  • Ches’ comment re: COL419: This is How We Genetically Role

“Identification/description in app profiles may typically get reduced to top/bottom/versatile, but it doesn’t take much to flesh things out and present a much more accurate picture of our preferences. For example, in mine, I have had the following blurb on the subject for years:

“Primarily dom/top, but will consider bottoming for suitably impressive alpha-male types and/or subbing for experienced leathermen.”

And that covers both fucking AND perverted stuff. The biggest component is honest self-examination. Everything flows from there…”

 

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PSA: Get a lucky buddy!

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COL399: Tabletop Gaming

In this episode of Cubs Out Loud, the cubs roll the dice on the topic of tabletop gaming. Listen in as the guys throw their cards on the table about what games they enjoy, what they like and don’t like about tabletop and card gaming. From the groans when someone mentions Monopoly to the joy and excitement of Exploding Kittens, have some fun gathering around for a great gaming adventure.

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What’s Going On?

  • Jeff: AGDQ
  • Damon: Fuck You, Mother Nature!
  • Chester: Travel!
  • Gary: Ick

Did I Do That?

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  • Chester Beltowski: I’m listening to episode COL398: Bud Sex and I am laughing my ass off at the “old fluids” bit, man I wish I was on the show for this! BTW Damon, the “wall” you were describing can be considered anthropologically significant.

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From right after Christmas…

Hi, guys.  I’m about 2 months behind in listening to your podcast, and I’m having a problem with Chester’s “I’ll Tumbl For You” links.  Whenever I try to open one (current example), I get “The URL you requested could not be found.”  I tried following Chester’s “The Cub Up There” blog back to the date of the show (slow-scrolling thru 2 months of backlog), but I couldn’t find anything there that looked like what he described on the show.

Is it possible that Chester deletes his Tumblr posts after the “Cubs Out Loud” podcast?

Keep ’em coming, & merry holidays,

Henry

Atlanta, Ga.

From after COL398 ‘Bud Sex’

Hi there cubs!

First of all, Happy New Year and thanks for having Hadrian read those stories a few episodes ago! It definitely made the cold weather somewhat warmer 😀 Second, I just finished listening to the Bud Sex episode you just released. I also briefly read the scientific journal article afterward. Being that you have indirectly summoned the COL scientist (thanks for the title, Jeff), I considered writing about a few things relevant to the discussion.

  1. Defining/measuring sexual orientation: A few of you mentioned the Kinsey scale to define sexual orientation. As revolutionary as this scale was back in the 50s, it does not represent sexual orientation accurately. Consider it more of a legacy instrument than a good one to define and measure sexual orientation. More recent models have proposed at least 3 dimensions to sexual orientation that can explain most of what we observe: identity, behavior, attraction.

        Identity refers to how you define yourself, in this case, sexually. If you identify as gay, bi, straight, queer, etc. that is your identity.

        Behavior refers to what people do sexually. In other words, who are people having sex with?

        Attraction refers to the gender you are attracted to.

Further, imagine that these 3 dimensions can be measured on a scale (for example, 1 to 10) instead of a “yes” or “no.” For example, I identify as gay (10) and do not identify as bi (0), straight (0), or queer (0); I have only had sex with men (10) and I have not had sex with women (0); and I feel very attracted to men (9) and a little attracted to women (3).  Now, based on our understanding of sexual orientation with these 3 dimensions we can conceive the existence of men who identify as straight, have sex with men and women at different levels, and feel attracted to both males and females at different levels. That is what sociologists, anthropologists, and the community at large may consider MSM, brojob, or bud-sex dude. Consider also those guys who identify as gay (8-10), who have only had sex with women because of social expectations or other reasons, and may be attracted to men way more than to women. I have met bears who were married, had kids, ended up getting a divorce, and are in a current relationship with another guy. They do not consider themselves as bisexual. The combinations are endless and could also encompass asexual (identity) people who are not interested in sex (behavior), but like people of their own, opposite, or both genders(attraction). I have found in my own research that this model captures way more information than a simple yes/no or Kinsley scale. Also, with this more comprehensive model, there is no need to challenge anyone’s identity because of who they are having sex with. Science is not barely catching up. In psychology we have had this and similar models for a long time (probably 30 years) but since it is more complicated to understand and does not raise much controversy, popular publications outside the field pay little attention.

  1. Sample size: Yes, 19 participants are not much and all of them are self-selected. Both things affect generalizability. Unless you have millions of dollars to conduct a study or you are gathering data for a census, this limitation is common, especially on research using interviews as the method to collect data. This limitation does not prevent the information to be valuable, especially when it elicits new ideas and a few hypotheses just like the ones Hadrian presented.

As usual, if you have any extra questions please let me know.

Cisco

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Bears and Tabletop Gaming

Why do so many bears like TTG/CG?

  • Common interest
  • Forced social interaction

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  • Cards Against Humanity leads the charge
  • Exploding Kittens, Joking Hazard
  • Bears vs Babies!

Chester’s Quick Poll Results:

  1. Favorite Games
    1. Betrayal at House on the Hill (because the game changes every time you play it)
    2. Magic: The Gathering (for deck customization)
    3. Super Dungeon (because it’s co-op)
    4. Zombicide
    5. Joking Hazard
  2. Preference for group size
    1. People enjoy going to parties with lots of people, but prefer to play in smaller groups
  3. Gaming at bear runs?
    1. Absolutely!  They feel that official time slots should be part of the event schedule
  4. Where do people find other gamers?
    1. Word of mouth
    2. Facebook groups (Bears Be Gaming, Nerdybears, Geekybears)
    3. Personal ads (growlr shouts)
    4. Bear Runs
    5. Gaming stores!
    6. Gaming bars!   

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