COL089: A Windows Peak

Things get heated in a for-lack-of-better-word-debate.  But then they rebound and get a little geeky celebrating Windows 7. – Also don’t forget to nominate us for the Best of Bears 2009

Hosts: Jeff, Griff

Interlude Music: Nakia & His Southern Cousins

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  • Renee Crocker wrote:
    Sorry for the super long comment guys.  You don’t have to read it on the show or anything, I was just honestly interested.
    Sorry, Jeff, you are my fav drood (/lick)  but I have to agree with your co-hosts.  Being gay is not really a right, it’s just something that you are.  Having a right dictates that you have a choice to do it or not.  It’s not a choice to be black, gay, tall or short.  You don’t really have a right to do any of these things.  That’s just who people are.  I think that’s why maybe Griff was a little upset about the word “right”.  There is no choice in this.
    And on the matter of being in peoples faces, there are some people who are “in peoples faces” with the gay movement.  But not everybody is like that.   Should everybody who is gay state the fact that they are gay all the time and be in their faces all the time?  /ponders  now I can see how bringing their mate to the company picnic or something like that is akin to something like a silent demonstration.  Would you look down upon someone who is gay but is not outspoken about being gay?  Not that they are hiding it, but doesn’t go out of the way to state that they are gay.  Is this anything like if a person was of a mixed race, they would have to state that they are black and let everybody know this?  Or do you see that this is something different?  (That’s a serious question).
    And I wonder how the percentage of straight people that marriage doesn’t matter compares to the percentage of gay people that marriage doesn’t matter.  Do you think it’s comprable?  I have no idea what the percentages might be.  I was just wondering in my head.
    Ok, sorry for me getting so deep.  I honestly don’t get a chance to have a back and forth dialogue with somebody who is gay so I don’t get to ask the questions that I have always wondered.  And on this same note, how do you feel when someone who is straight is generally interested in the way the gay culture feels about certain issues.  Do you feel like you shouldn’t talk on behalf of the gay community?  Do you feel uncomfortable?  Are you excited that somebody wants to know more?  As an African-American, I welcome back and forth dialogue and if somebody wants to know more, I love to try to educate but I do caution them that they are my views and might not necessarily reflect the views of other African-Americans.   Future topic idea maybe?
    Thanks guys so much and /lick Jeff.
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9 thoughts on “COL089: A Windows Peak”

  1. Deep show today guys. (If I ever post too much just let me know, hehe) And as usual I had a lot of thoughts about it. Not really going to lay them all out here, just going to say a couple of things.

    For some reason I kept comparing the struggles of the gay community to the struggles of the African-American community while listening to you all. I have no idea if they are comparable, but listening to the back and forth reminded me of it.

    My great grandmother used to tell me stories of some blacks who had the same thoughts as Jeff and some who had the opposite beliefs. Some who didn't want to make “massa upset”. Others who wanted to fight for their rights and to be seen as whole people. I'm not saying this is the same. I have no right to say that. I'm just saying it reminded me of it.

    In the end, African-Americans chose to fight (for the most part). It took a long time though. Overall, hundreds of years. Sure, it ramped up more in the 50s-70s but rebellion was happening since slavery. Do gays have as long of a way to go? Are they slaves in other ways besides physical? Will rocking the boat lose the battle but win the war? I really don't know. And everybody won't be all in and everybody will have differing opinions. Everybody chooses what makes sense for them I suppose.

    Am I wrong for comparing the two struggles? Is it the same to you all? I know you talked about this on previous shows already. So no need to really go over again.

  2. Griff,

    I used to work in an office environment. I am an openly gay male. I had a picture of my partner at the time and myself on my desk. One day I was asked to remove it because it offended some people or so I was told. I told them only on the condition that everyone else removes the pictures of their loved ones. After all, fair is fair. I was fired. I do not live in a right to work state. The union would not support me. Your idea for a “silent movement” for lack of a better term is just that. Your idea and I respect that. However it won't always work. Nothing ever does. I was a good worker. I busted my ass everyday and was respected by colleagues or so I thought. Now tell me. What should I do? I have already talked to the labor board and was denied a hearing.

  3. Sorry for missing the show guys.. im listening to it at the moment.. had a crazy weekend which didnt stop until late sunday night 😀

    Im here at work listening … OMG i almost spit my coffee out..

    Griff : we need to stop being hostile.
    Jeff : WERE NOT BEING HOSTILE!!!!

    I swear i heard a growl when he said that LOL too funny.

  4. hey i didn't say it wouldn't offend… 2 has the reputation for offending lots of folks 😀

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